here's the backstory: a jw posted a thread in /r/debatereligion basically allowing the community to ask him anything.
things got realer than he expected, i think.
someone brought up the failed predictions and asked if they would qualify as false prophecy(1 john 4:1).
Welcome sincerelymine - I hope your lurking strengthens your resolve to continue on your learning curve and prove to yourself exactly what the WTBTS Corporation is really all about - money, not Bible truths.
Most J.W.'s describe the G.B. & their cohorts as " just imperfect men." My own mother used to parrot this.
Yes, imperfect men who portray themselves - falsely - as having a direct line to the C.E.O., whereas everyone else can only be helped via the call-centre!
a few minutes ago...my door intercom went...i picked up the phone...wasn't expecting anyone.. young child's voice... "were just here with this watchtower why be honest".
no thanks...byee.. what sort of message is this sending out ?
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we've all been trying to decipher what is going on at the top of the watchtower organization.
clearly, the game's afoot, we just don't know what game we're playing.
item: the constant harping about money and donations.
Fisherman stated a profound truth -
"Changing the music and the meetings also changes the experience of worship one felt and related to."
Millions of longer-term J.W.'s cannot rationalize in their minds the dramatic Corporation changes, or totally believe that they should "listen obey, & be blessed" by a bunch of self-publicising & sanctimonious religious hierarchy who are preparing to move out to their idyllic new country residence.
The 21st century "Society" is alien - and is alienating - very many previously loyal sheep. Carry on G.B.
i mentioned this in a previous post, i feel the current gb truly believe they are chosen by god and are indoctrinated just as much as the rank and file.
they are deluded in their belief that they are guardians of the doctrine.
they are suffering from cognitive dissonance just as much.
The Magnificent 7 are merely the front-men for the Corporation - and ultimately the fall-guys.
As Mr. Jackson so eloquently displayed with his robotic & scripted responses at the A.R.C., they are puppets for the real masters in this consortium of worldwide businesses.
Samuel Herd is the only one I've seen whose delivery and facial expressions reveal that he's wide awake to the corruption and lies which are overwhelming the sheep - but he won't want him and his wife ending up in the wilderness like Ray Franz.
after severe pressure from my family, i have decided to attend to the nearest kh.
and a little history regarding my self: i became inactive and lost completely contact of the wt changes and "new light" 17 years ago.. everything seemed so odd and strange during the meeting.
latest technology, animated movies, watchtower web tv, a website that you can download everything, including km and wt study articles.
"Being inactive I have been approached by the elders and offered a bible study!!!"
Thank them for the offer, but tell them "not at the moment, thanks - I'll let you know if I'm ready."
And don't get into any conversations with two of them - that signals that they're seriously after you!
Just tell them you don't have time at the moment and you need to go. Exit, stage left.
i am a non-participating christian who is fully respectful of but never had anything to do with jw.. i have a jw friend who seems to closely follow his jw belief's.
i have met most of his family and friends who all are also jw's.
he says i am his only non-jw good friend.. he is getting married this year to his long time gf and with our recent growing more guarded and distant friendship, i am wondering what is going on?.
I was married in a K.H. with non-Witness friends attending. My best man was a non-Witness. Elders don't ask if there will be "worldly" people at the wedding, so there's no problem there.
However, in your case, your friendship will be scrutinized by the elders to establish if you are "studying" with your J.W. friend. If not, the friendship will be "advised" to be terminated. I suspect his wife-to-be is/will look down on your friendship.
Pressure will now be applied to your friend. Sad.
hi everybody, 1st post here.
20 years jw, elder for 6 years, regular pioneer for 3 years, have always been following the 2012 candace conti abuse case with much interest, especially since the case suddenly disappeared from www.watchtower.com's news section (thanks brother j. r. brown, office of public information, because it led me to "worldly" websites for more info), leading to more and more dissatisfaction , leading to jwfacts, jwsurvey, ad1914, wtdocuments etc., leading to my awakening about 4 months ago, now fading faster and faster to zero meetings and zero field service...and you know what?
it feels good!.
been there, seen the movie, bought the t-shirt - done all three!
still cringe at how i viewed the corporation's teachings as sacrosanct.
bite the bullet lurkers - treat your gangrenous thinking and begin your recovery.
Been there, seen the movie, bought the t-shirt - done all three!
Still cringe at how I viewed the Corporation's teachings as sacrosanct.
Bite the bullet lurkers - treat your gangrenous thinking and begin your recovery.
Stop being treated like a monkey by the Corporation.
hello, this is my first post, i would like to introduce myself and say thank you to every one on this forum, you have been a lifeline to me these last few years.. i had been a jw for 30 years when i walked away a few years ago disgusted by the treatment victims of child abuse, domestic abuse and rape receive from the wtbts.. at first i thought it was a local problem, elders personal opinions, the way they handled the situations, imperfect men etc., until i checked out jehovahs witnesses and child abuse/domestic abuse online.
that's when i realized they had the same modus operandi worldwide.
that led me here, tbuo this forum, and then to crisis of conscience, jw facts, watchtower documents, jw survey, old watchtower literature and cd s, reading a couple of steve hassans books, and more recently exiting the jw cult.. the feelings of shock, betrayal, anger at the wtbts, angry with myself for being so gullible, depression, reflection, loneliness, have taken their toll.
so i haven't been to a midweek meeting in some time.... but i must attend this first clam (not to be confused with 'klan') meeting.
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want to take a look for curiosity sake then go back to never attending another midweek meeting again.
C.L.A.M.
In the U.K. we used to have a chocolate bar called "Marathon". It was rebranded as "Snickers".
Same product, different wording.
C.L.A.M. = Ministry School & Service Meeting + added videos.
Corporation Lies And Mind-numbing.
